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[Aquiles]

O SuperBraga está cada vez mais internacional...

[andre_carneiro]

Nice one Andre!

For anybody who doesn't know who Frank Worthington was here's a video of his most famous goal.

Awesome 

Almost as good as Alan 

Absolutely awesome! I had seen this goal somewhere sometime... but didn't know who the artist was!

PS: Did he play for Galway Utd? I'm kind of a Galway supporter

[andre_carneiro]

Nice one Andre!

Unfortunately they didn't pay much atention to my topic... http://www.superbraga.com/forum/index.php?topic=11958.msg200417#new

[LowerzBWFC]

Not to worry Andre, I'll just have to keep this post going  haha

Yes, the player in the video is Frank Worthington, he played for 21 clubs!

Towards the end of his career he played for Galway, after this he spent the rest of his career at amateur teams in England.

So is Possebon still at Braga at the moment? I heard that he had a dispute with the coach after being substituted in the Europa League?

[andre_carneiro]

People liked the idea of a english talk in the forum... lets see if it goes forward!

Great, I didn't know the modest Galway had a legend playing there good to know...
Hey Karl who do you support? Shamrocks? Bohemians? Are there any other teams in Dublin?

Well Possebon is a mistery... he was supposed to go back to ManUtd after that incident... but he never did... there isn't much information about his trainings and he's not been called for the team for the last games. I guess Braga has a contract with ManUtd and have to keep him here in the club until the end of the season but just put him aside until then... shame... he seemed to be a good player, but as soon as he arrived, he showed he's childish star atitude... now he'll shine in the bench

[LowerzBWFC]

Yes, he looked to be a good player before his injury last season for Manchester Utd, and big things were expected of him on his loan move this year. I work as a football odds compiler for an online bookmaker, so I watch a lot of football live, and I go to watch Manchester Utd's reserve side often, as they play fairly close to where I live. He often looked like he was capable of an outburst when I watched him, showing a bad attitude even towards his team mates.

It looks like the Portugese teams prefer to bring in talent from the South American leagues, as the transfer fee's and wages are presumably lower, so I guess these players look at teams such as Braga as a stepping stone into the giant teams of Europe? Does this make the turnover of players in and out of the club very high? This is evident as many players that played in our UEFA match 2 years ago have now left. The players that started the game that still play for the club are as follows.

Joao Pereira, Alberto Rodriguez, Vandinho, Madrid

I suppose the best way for the "smaller" Portugese teams to operate is to bring these players in for small transfer fee's and then try to sell them for a big profit? This will make the club wealthier in the long term, but surely causes disruption in the team if the starting 11 constantly changes?

[Pedro_RBA]

People liked the idea of a english talk in the forum... lets see if it goes forward!

Great, I didn't know the modest Galway had a legend playing there good to know...
Hey Karl who do you support? Shamrocks? Bohemians? Are there any other teams in Dublin?

Well Possebon is a mistery... he was supposed to go back to ManUtd after that incident... but he never did... there isn't much information about his trainings and he's not been called for the team for the last games. I guess Braga has a contract with ManUtd and have to keep him here in the club until the end of the season but just put him aside until then... shame... he seemed to be a good player, but as soon as he arrived, he showed he's childish star atitude... now he'll shine in the bench

I think Possebon was the biggest "flop" this season.. He arrived like a young star with a big possibility of progression, the type of progression that he don't have in ManUtd, because here he has the possibility to play..

But I think he tought that the fact he came from ManUtd will gave him the titularity in our club. We have also very good players and instead of fight to a position in the inicial 11, he acted like a child and pouted with some decisions of our coach..

I see him play very few times to make an opinion of his real value, but in terms of attitude I'll give him zero... But his young, and still have time to became a good player, but in our principal team I don't believe..

Lucky for him, we have the Liga Intercalar. It´s a league for the least used players to better show their skills and have some competition to help the progression. It´s like a "B" team of Braga. I think in England you have also the same type of competition.

You ask which would be the best game to watch, I would say without any doubt S.C Braga - Vitória S.C. (Guimarães). The atmosphere is amazing. The best derby in Portugal. In any other derbys you can see easily 2 friends with different jerseys seating one next to the other supporting each one their teams. In this derby it's impossible... I'm not saying that this is positive or negative, but it helps to create an different atmosphere.

Saudações Ultras

[andre_carneiro]

Yes, he looked to be a good player before his injury last season for Manchester Utd, and big things were expected of him on his loan move this year. I work as a football odds compiler for an online bookmaker, so I watch a lot of football live, and I go to watch Manchester Utd's reserve side often, as they play fairly close to where I live. He often looked like he was capable of an outburst when I watched him, showing a bad attitude even towards his team mates.

It looks like the Portugese teams prefer to bring in talent from the South American leagues, as the transfer fee's and wages are presumably lower, so I guess these players look at teams such as Braga as a stepping stone into the giant teams of Europe? Does this make the turnover of players in and out of the club very high? This is evident as many players that played in our UEFA match 2 years ago have now left. The players that started the game that still play for the club are as follows.

Joao Pereira, Alberto Rodriguez, Vandinho, Madrid

I suppose the best way for the "smaller" Portugese teams to operate is to bring these players in for small transfer fee's and then try to sell them for a big profit? This will make the club wealthier in the long term, but surely causes disruption in the team if the starting 11 constantly changes?

Yes you're totally right.

For instance, Braga this year didn't spend a dime in player transfers, and thats because our president assumed as primary objective to balance the budget and not to risk like in anterior seasons. He was really clever finding players like Possebon (which turned out not to be so good investment) and Hugo Viana for loan. Actually he was even wiser to make money selling Orlando Sá to Porto, Luis Aguiar to Dinamo and Cesar Peixoto to Benfica... all important players that he easily replaced!
Besides that we "got rid" of a few expensive players like Paulo Jorge and Frechaut, both in their 30's and earning well.

The bad side of this method is that we have tons of south american players! But they don't cost a cent on formation and are quite cheap.

You're also right about the disruption of the teams when you're always hiring and selling players... changing the starting 11... Benfica is prof of that... poor guys spent tons of money the last two decades in tons of players, just trying to find those galactics for them... and in my opinion that was the reason why they didn't win many trophies.
This is also the reason why I think our team is making a fantastic start on the league this year... only Hugo Viana wasn't in the team last year... all the rest were frequent players... Mossoró is playing a lot more often though, but also a lot better.

[Pedro_RBA]

I suppose the best way for the "smaller" Portugese teams to operate is to bring these players in for small transfer fee's and then try to sell them for a big profit? This will make the club wealthier in the long term, but surely causes disruption in the team if the starting 11 constantly changes?

Without any doubt. This is the main problem of portuguese teams. The majority of portuguese clubs have money problems,and even if we wanted, we don't have money and neither actractive football to keep the best players in our league.. When spanish, english, italian or other football european teams offer a proposal to an player, they rarely say no. They go ta a better an wealthy (€€€) league.. And the portuguese teams also need money to survive so.. yes we try to buy some low-budget players in hope to find a "golden mine".

Of course this will make that we will never have an league to compete to other countries, but it's better that don't have any league at all.. I hope a guy like Abromovich or the sultan of ManCity find interest in the portuguese league

Saudações Ultras

[LowerzBWFC]

I think this transfer policy is definitely the right thing to do, as the way the transfer market is going at the moment, buying players within Europe is too costly. For a team like Braga to do this would be disastrous to the wage budget of the club if they were to have a poor season whilst the team got familiar with playing together. I liked Cesar Peixoto but it appeared to me that his attitude wasn't always correct, am I right in thinking that his transfer to Benfica this summer wasn't so straightforward?

Pedro, we do have something smiliar to the Liga Intercalar, it was in our equivalent of this league that I have seen Possebon play most of his football. In this environment he looks to be one of the better players, but it is a big step up to first team football from here. Perhaps being left out of the team will make him more determined if he is to get another chance.

I agree with you Andre, about the team compared to last season at Braga, it is a lot more consistent, and works as a unit, rather than a team of individuals, a problem that Sporting may face now with players such as Veloso, who has had his head turned by links to Manchester City and Arsenal.

This is the problem that Braga may find  if the performance continues. Within Portugal, the "Big 3" teams will want to sign Braga's best players, and also across Europe, teams from Spain and England may start taking an interest in players.

Will Meyong be playing for Cameroon in the African Nations Cup in January? This could raise his profile and alert some of the bigger teams to his skills, as he looks to be a great goalscorer. Who will replace him while he is away?

[andre_carneiro]

I think this transfer policy is definitely the right thing to do, as the way the transfer market is going at the moment, buying players within Europe is too costly. For a team like Braga to do this would be disastrous to the wage budget of the club if they were to have a poor season whilst the team got familiar with playing together. I liked Cesar Peixoto but it appeared to me that his attitude wasn't always correct, am I right in thinking that his transfer to Benfica this summer wasn't so straightforward?

Don't say you like Cesar!!!! I actually didn't dislike the man, but we could notice that he wasn't here 100%... since he arrived, he was waiting for the opportunity to jump to a "better" club... he thought he did that going to Benfica I suppose.
His relationship with the supporters was never very good unfortunately... And I believe the way he left, not caring about braga's interests was reflection of that. He left almost the way Jesus left too... against the club will... and for a handful of 500€ bills

I agree with you Andre, about the team compared to last season at Braga, it is a lot more consistent, and works as a unit, rather than a team of individuals, a problem that Sporting may face now with players such as Veloso, who has had his head turned by links to Manchester City and Arsenal.

Sporting is facing that actually... and not only with Veloso! Vukcevic as well had some problems with the coach and club... and he is still playing. Besides that, Sporting did a really bad investment this and in the previous years... they have the best academy and keep losing great players such as Varela, Tiago Pinto and some other like Quaresma and Hugo Viana... they could be the portuguese Ajax.

This is the problem that Braga may find  if the performance continues. Within Portugal, the "Big 3" teams will want to sign Braga's best players, and also across Europe, teams from Spain and England may start taking an interest in players.

Well we said the same thing last year. But we managed to keep the structure of the team selling only a few players. Besides Salvador, our president, has a really big mouth and he isn't very modest on the prices!

Will Meyong be playing for Cameroon in the African Nations Cup in January? This could raise his profile and alert some of the bigger teams to his skills, as he looks to be a great goalscorer. Who will replace him while he is away?

We have Adriano if he goes... don't really know!

[krugger]

I think this transfer policy is definitely the right thing to do, as the way the transfer market is going at the moment, buying players within Europe is too costly. For a team like Braga to do this would be disastrous to the wage budget of the club if they were to have a poor season whilst the team got familiar with playing together. I liked Cesar Peixoto but it appeared to me that his attitude wasn't always correct, am I right in thinking that his transfer to Benfica this summer wasn't so straightforward?

Pedro, we do have something smiliar to the Liga Intercalar, it was in our equivalent of this league that I have seen Possebon play most of his football. In this environment he looks to be one of the better players, but it is a big step up to first team football from here. Perhaps being left out of the team will make him more determined if he is to get another chance.

I agree with you Andre, about the team compared to last season at Braga, it is a lot more consistent, and works as a unit, rather than a team of individuals, a problem that Sporting may face now with players such as Veloso, who has had his head turned by links to Manchester City and Arsenal.

This is the problem that Braga may find  if the performance continues. Within Portugal, the "Big 3" teams will want to sign Braga's best players, and also across Europe, teams from Spain and England may start taking an interest in players.

Will Meyong be playing for Cameroon in the African Nations Cup in January? This could raise his profile and alert some of the bigger teams to his skills, as he looks to be a great goalscorer. Who will replace him while he is away?

The problem of having our best players being coveted by the "big 3" or clubs from Spain (mainly), England or France is a natural consequence of our success.
The way to prevent or overcome this issue is not easy to find, we cannot face such competition, for our own sake we not even try to, so the way is to keep finding new players, try to maintain a core of 5/6 players with experience and fill the gaps with young good players that can represent a good revenue in the future. In my opinion this is a only way to grow, gradually, in a sustainable way, every once in a while we can dream to aim to a higher position, but I think that it is still a little bit early.

I dont want to seem pessimist, or even to give the idea that this is a flot, not at all, i believe that we have come so far and we are still going even further, just not as quickly as many would like, I think that we are building something today that will have its full expression in a near future, 10 years top, but only if we have a sustainable growth, if not we could be giving a step biggetr than the leg, i dont think that this expression exists in inglish but you do have a similar one, and if we are giving that big step we may fall like many clubs have before.

[LowerzBWFC]

I think this transfer policy is definitely the right thing to do, as the way the transfer market is going at the moment, buying players within Europe is too costly. For a team like Braga to do this would be disastrous to the wage budget of the club if they were to have a poor season whilst the team got familiar with playing together. I liked Cesar Peixoto but it appeared to me that his attitude wasn't always correct, am I right in thinking that his transfer to Benfica this summer wasn't so straightforward?

Pedro, we do have something smiliar to the Liga Intercalar, it was in our equivalent of this league that I have seen Possebon play most of his football. In this environment he looks to be one of the better players, but it is a big step up to first team football from here. Perhaps being left out of the team will make him more determined if he is to get another chance.

I agree with you Andre, about the team compared to last season at Braga, it is a lot more consistent, and works as a unit, rather than a team of individuals, a problem that Sporting may face now with players such as Veloso, who has had his head turned by links to Manchester City and Arsenal.

This is the problem that Braga may find  if the performance continues. Within Portugal, the "Big 3" teams will want to sign Braga's best players, and also across Europe, teams from Spain and England may start taking an interest in players.

Will Meyong be playing for Cameroon in the African Nations Cup in January? This could raise his profile and alert some of the bigger teams to his skills, as he looks to be a great goalscorer. Who will replace him while he is away?

The problem of having our best players being coveted by the "big 3" or clubs from Spain (mainly), England or France is a natural consequence of our success.
The way to prevent or overcome this issue is not easy to find, we cannot face such competition, for our own sake we not even try to, so the way is to keep finding new players, try to maintain a core of 5/6 players with experience and fill the gaps with young good players that can represent a good revenue in the future. In my opinion this is a only way to grow, gradually, in a sustainable way, every once in a while we can dream to aim to a higher position, but I think that it is still a little bit early.

I dont want to seem pessimist, or even to give the idea that this is a flot, not at all, i believe that we have come so far and we are still going even further, just not as quickly as many would like, I think that we are building something today that will have its full expression in a near future, 10 years top, but only if we have a sustainable growth, if not we could be giving a step biggetr than the leg, i dont think that this expression exists in inglish but you do have a similar one, and if we are giving that big step we may fall like many clubs have before.

I understand the saying, I think in England we say "trying to run before you can walk". This is definitely true, the worst thing that could happen is that the club outgrows itself. However, Braga have a good base to build upon, a fantastic stadium, and a large population of potential supporters. They also have the attraction that european football is a fairly consistent achievement, which attracts players to the club.

Andre, I wouldn't say I liked Cesar, but I thought he was a very good footballer, however he was a player that could be replaced. If Braga could hold onto key players, such as the goalkeeper Eduardo, and then build the team around these players, then they will be very well placed to begin a period of growth over time, and slowly begin to catch the "Big 3". You mentioned the academy of Sporting, what facilities do Braga have? Do they have a strong youth team? This can be the key to success in the future, and also a great way of earning money, by selling some of these "wonderkids" with terms in the contract where Braga will benefit from future transfers. For example the club will receive 25% of the players next transfer fee, or an extra payment if he makes an international appearance for his country.

[Karl]

Yes, he looked to be a good player before his injury last season for Manchester Utd, and big things were expected of him on his loan move this year. I work as a football odds compiler for an online bookmaker, so I watch a lot of football live, and I go to watch Manchester Utd's reserve side often, as they play fairly close to where I live. He often looked like he was capable of an outburst when I watched him, showing a bad attitude even towards his team mates.

I think maybe it's a case for many South Americans who come to Europe and are frustrated with lack of playing time. I now Domingos Pacienca took no crap from him after his outburst in Sweden. Even had he been in top form it would have been hard to take the place of Vandinho wo has been in the form of his life over the past year.

I agree with you Andre, about the team compared to last season at Braga, it is a lot more consistent, and works as a unit, rather than a team of individuals, a problem that Sporting may face now with players such as Veloso, who has had his head turned by links to Manchester City and Arsenal.

This is the problem that Braga may find  if the performance continues. Within Portugal, the "Big 3" teams will want to sign Braga's best players, and also across Europe, teams from Spain and England may start taking an interest in players.

The problem with Sporting is that most players want to leave. Moutinho, and Veloso being the main two.

The big three in Portugal have consistently been liked with Braga players but unlike say 6 or 7 years ago Braga will no longer sell them at cut price deals. Portuguese teams can no longer afford Braga's players unless the they are in their final year of their contracts and Braga deem it more economically viable to offload them due to wages or the likelihood of a player not extending his contract. Peixoto went because even though he was a half decent player he had less than ayear on his contract and would have become an enormous problem for the manager had he stayed. 

People liked the idea of a english talk in the forum... lets see if it goes forward!

Great, I didn't know the modest Galway had a legend playing there good to know...
Hey Karl who do you support? Shamrocks? Bohemians? Are there any other teams in Dublin?

My local team are St. Parick's Athletic. For the last couple of years they had a CEO who was worth over 50million but because of te crisis and stock exchange crash he pulled out and the team returned to a semi professional level. It's also because of he ew rules here whereby your club wage bill has to be less tham 75% of income from gate receipts. Bohemians on the other hand could face relegation because they have a huge wage bill and may end up as champions and also get relelgated in the same season. I happened to Selbourne a few years ao because of financial rregularities. They wonthe league and were relegated.
By the way I go y article pblished. Would preciate it if yanyone left a comment.

http://www.soccerlens.com/can-braga-prove-the-special-two-wrong/35404/

Thanks Karl

[andre_carneiro]

Great Article Karl,

I'll post it on the BA forum!

[andre_carneiro]

You mentioned the academy of Sporting, what facilities do Braga have? Do they have a strong youth team? This can be the key to success in the future, and also a great way of earning money, by selling some of these "wonderkids" with terms in the contract where Braga will benefit from future transfers. For example the club will receive 25% of the players next transfer fee, or an extra payment if he makes an international appearance for his country.

At this moment Braga doesn't have the greatest conditions for formation. But it is one of the goals of the actual president for his term to build a academy! They are actually dealing with the city government about the place where to build it... funding... etc...
However the investment on formation has grown these last years and we started to offer our formation players for loan and we are actually educating future stars.
You may know Tiago the Portuguese midfielder was formed in braga. Eduardo as well. At this moment there's one potential Israeli star in our reserve team who it's said should be playing for the 1st team (however he can't because of the visa or something... maybe next season...)

[LowerzBWFC]

Congratulations on the article Karl, it makes very good reading I hope it reaches a wider audience and gets Braga some of the recognition they deserve.

At this moment Braga doesn't have the greatest conditions for formation. But it is one of the goals of the actual president for his term to build a academy! They are actually dealing with the city government about the place where to build it... funding... etc...
However the investment on formation has grown these last years and we started to offer our formation players for loan and we are actually educating future stars.
You may know Tiago the Portuguese midfielder was formed in braga. Eduardo as well. At this moment there's one potential Israeli star in our reserve team who it's said should be playing for the 1st team (however he can't because of the visa or something... maybe next season...)

It is good to hear about the plans for an academy, I hope this can go ahead, as this would be the first step to catching up to the opposition. Keeping players at the academy is a different problem! But with the new FIFA crackdown (during which Chelsea have famously suffered a transfer ban) the power now lies with the club that is developing the player. If Braga can do this, and bring their own players through, this will again save on transfer fee's and paying high wages to all players.

Hopefully the catchment area for such an academy would be quite high, with Minho being a large region of Portugal, esepcially if Braga could make the club more appealing to youngsters than their other local rivals.

[andre_carneiro]

Hopefully the catchment area for such an academy would be quite high, with Minho being a large region of Portugal, esepcially if Braga could make the club more appealing to youngsters than their other local rivals.

Yes at least a third of portuguese population lives in the north... we'd have Porto's competition for the youngsters but I thing the secret lies on hiring many really good scouts.

[LowerzBWFC]

Good luck to Portugal today everybody 

I will be looking out for the result.

[andre_carneiro]

Good luck to Portugal today everybody 

I will be looking out for the result.

Thanks! And we were lucky...
Still, I don't like this portuguese tactic... too weird...